Message-ID: <28309932.1075852698371.JavaMail.evans@thyme> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: caroline.abramo@enron.com To: john.arnold@enron.com Subject: lot size eol/renaissance/other funds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From: Abramo, Caroline X-To: Arnold, John X-cc: X-bcc: X-Folder: \JARNOLD (Non-Privileged)\Arnold, John\Deleted Items X-Origin: Arnold-J X-FileName: JARNOLD (Non-Privileged).pst hi.... is there any way for you to put the same number of lots on the lot size product as you have on the standard MMBtu per day product? You have 10 lots out there now for Nov01 and 20,000/ day on the standard... can you offer 60 contracts (20,000*30) on the lots size.. the people that the product was meant for can just click their one or two lots.. its going to be the same price as the standard Nov01 contract right? The physical standard is a limitation for funds.. all of them trade lots.. no one wants to sit there and figure out the contracts however easy it is. I think I can get at least 4 more funds on EOL if you can do just this..these are people outside the Campbell types who can not trade OTC. EOL is great for funds like Ren whose traders get buy/sell orders at the beginning of the trade day (I assume they get signals on close) and have discretion on how to execute through the day. Versus Campbell who gets a signal and executes orders immediately regardless of liquidity.. its all to do with the way they view slipage Liz at Renaissance was not giving you the whole picture on how much they trade.. they are an 8 Billion fund. Last year they traded: 156,000 crude contracts- most in one day.. 6,000 contracts 85,000 nat gas- 6,000 highest one day 40,000 Nickel-1,000 highest one day 120,000 Ali- 6,000 52,000 Cu- 5,000 24,000 Zn- 2,000 The only other energy counterparty they have is Goldman (this is the case with a lot of the program traders).. they tried MS, but said they were terrible..