Message-ID: <22908657.1075840445756.JavaMail.evans@thyme> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin.cousineau@enron.com To: mark.fisher@enron.com, mark.ratekin@enron.com Subject: Re: Consumption for for GE1.5 Cc: mark.eilers@enron.com, hollis.kimbrough@enron.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bcc: mark.eilers@enron.com, hollis.kimbrough@enron.com X-From: Kevin Cousineau X-To: Mark Fisher, Mark Ratekin X-cc: Mark Eilers, Hollis Kimbrough X-bcc: X-Folder: \mark fischer 7-12-02\Notes Folders\All documents X-Origin: FISCHER-M X-FileName: mark fischer 7-12-02 LNotes.nsf Mark Eilers, Fisher and Ratekin: Mark Ratekin has in his possession an IEC standard power curve for the Tehachapi 1.5 Turbine. This power curve shows both the power produced and the power cunsumed below cut in wind speeds. The consumed power can be binned just like the production curve to produce a "energy consumed" for any given wind site. Perhaps Mark Ratekin can forward this curve to Mark Fisher for this type of analysis. Regards KLC Mark Fisher 05/13/2002 04:53 PM To: Mark Eilers/EWC/Enron@ENRON cc: Hollis Kimbrough/EWC/Enron@ENRON, Kevin Cousineau/EWC/Enron@ENRON Subject: Re: Consumption for for GE1.5 Mark, Will they be using some method of separating power going into turbine from power coming out of the turbine? And would it be done on a turbine by turbine basis or would they measure at the substation? And do you know what period they would be using for measurement (10 minutes, hourly, daily, etc.)? Clarifying these might make it easier to determine what we might be able to figure out. The VisuPro data collection has a consumption counter as well as a production counter (energy, i.e. kWh). However, both counters are net counters, so for a measurement period either one or the other will increment [or possibly neither] (VisuPro is currently set to use a 5.5 minute measurement period). Since the counters are net counters we don't really know the true consumption. In a discussion between Hollis and Kevin, it was suggested that the way to know what the parasitic load was would be to put instruments on a turbine and measure what the load actually is. For further information on this you might contact Kevin. Hope this helps. Mark Fisher Mark Eilers 05/13/2002 03:25 PM To: Mark Fisher/EWC/Enron@Enron cc: Subject: Consumption for for GE1.5 Mark Is there any way to get an idea what we are seeing for parasitic demand for our large projects in TX as a more representative number. Let me know. Mark ---------------------- Forwarded by Mark Eilers/EWC/Enron on 05/13/2002 05:24 PM --------------------------- Mark Eilers 05/13/2002 03:07 PM To: Tom Nemila/EWC/Enron@ENRON, Peder Hansen/EWC/Enron@ENRON, Erik Ellis/EWC/Enron@Enron cc: Alan Nueman/EWC/Enron@ENRON Subject: Consumption for for GE1.5 Gentlemen I need to know the power consumption level for the GE1.5, non cold weather. I heard 40kW which seems too high for the non-CWL or CWE. It is also my understanding that the Eickhoff GB did not need to have the 35kW for lubercation (backup power issue). FPL is wanting to know the outcome of this issue so they can determine their demand charges. Just so you know, the New Mexico project (200 mW) has a demand charge of $6/kW/mth so; 136 units * 40kW * $6 = $32,640/mth or $391,680/yr in demand charges. Mark