Message-ID: <17717693.1075848322136.JavaMail.evans@thyme> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: terri.clynes@enron.com To: kayne.coulter@enron.com, don.baughman@enron.com, patrick.hanse@enron.com Subject: RE: MAPP Transmission Customers, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From: Terri Clynes X-To: Kayne Coulter, Don Baughman, Patrick Hanse X-cc: X-bcc: X-Folder: \Edward_Baughman_Nov2001\Notes Folders\Discussion threads X-Origin: BAUGHMAN-E X-FileName: dbaughm.nsf Per our discussion earlier. Terri ---------------------- Forwarded by Terri Clynes/HOU/ECT on 12/14/2000 04:25 PM --------------------------- "Terry Harmel" @mapp.org on 11/02/2000 11:44:02 AM Sent by: owner-rin@mapp.org To: cc: , , "Jim Croston" , "Ron Klinefelter" , "Lloyd Linke" , "Darrick Moe" , "Steve Sanders" Subject: RE: MAPP Transmission Customers, John, Sorry for the delay in responding to your Email, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. Please keep in mind that my knowlege of MAPP's transmission charges are limited to what I have been told or read and if someone at MAPP has any additional information that would be helpful, they should respond or perhaps you could address your questions to them. It appears that you may be confusing MAPP's "scheduling" fee with the S/D fee for the CA's - it is confusing that they call their's a scheduling fee also and there's two of them. The CA's didn't charge their S/D fee in the past as that was the practice, but also MAPP was in the past telling CA's that they should/could NOT charge their S/D fee also. I believe that it was for simplicity, based on the assumption that if no one charged that would be the same if all charged, as we were all members. Clearly the language in Sched F now indicates that the transmission customer will pay MAPP's "Scheduling and Tariff Administration" fee and also the CA's S/D fee. The following is an excerpt from MAPP tariff found on their Home page: Ancillary Services are needed with transmission service to maintain reliability within and among the Control Areas affected by the transmission service. The Contractor shall provide, and the Transmission Customer is required to purchase under this Tariff, (i) Scheduling and Tariff Administration and (ii) Reactive Supply and Voltage Control from Generation Sources. In addition, the Transmission Customer shall schedule transmission service directly with the applicable Transmission Provider, and shall be subject to the Transmission Provider's charges for scheduling service, for each Transmission Provider system in which (i) the Transmission Customer's resource is located, (ii) the Transmission Customer's load is located, (iii) power is scheduled into the MAPP Region, and (iv) power is scheduled to leave the MAPP Region, provided that the Transmission Customer shall not be subject to more than one scheduling charge for a single system. A Transmission Provider that is the local Control Area operator shall offer to provide through its individual open-access transmission tariff (either itself or through arrangements with other parties) the following Ancillary Services to a Transmission Customer serving load within the Transmission Provider's Control Area (i) Regulation and Frequency Response, (ii) Energy Imbalance, (iii) Operating Reserve - Spinning, and (iv) Operating Reserve - Supplemental. The Transmission Customer serving load within the Transmission System is required to acquire these Ancillary Services from the local Control Area operator, from a third party, or by self-supply. Sections 3.1 and 3.2 list the Ancillary Services offered under this Tariff. 3.1 Scheduling and Tariff Administration Service: The rates and/or methodology are described in Schedule 1. 3.2 Reactive Supply and Voltage Control from Generation Sources Service: The rates and/or methodology are described in Schedule 2. In regards to the examples that you have listed, it would be my opinion that the act of reserving transmision does not result in a Scheduling and Dispatch fee, it is the actual Scheduling of the energy which would incur the charge. Transmission reserved but not scheduled on would not incur a charge. If you were to schedule energy on the examples you have given, then a S/D fee would be charged against each of your examples.. If I can be of any more help, please let me know. Thanks Terry>> 11/01/00 04:05PM >>> Terry, Excuse me for my ignorance but it is my understanding that the original MAPP F rate included scheduling fees when transacting between MAPP members. With MAPP F being extended to the border company's interconnects, again it was my understanding that the border company would charge their scheduling fee for any schedule that left/entered their control area as part of a MAPP F request. So that I am clear on what you are planning to do, could you please tell me what charges WAPA would assess for the following examples. 1. WR reserves transmission from OAHE to ShercoGen using MAPP F. 2. WR reserves transmission from OAHE to KCPL.WR using MAPP F. 3. WR reserves transmission from MILESCITY TO KCPL.WR using MAPP F. Thank you in advance for clearing this issue up for me. John Energy Trader Generation Services "Terry Harmel" To: , , , , GOV> cc: "Jim Croston" , "Ron Klinefelter" Sent by: , "Lloyd Linke" , "Darrick Moe" owner-rin@map , "Steve Sanders" p.org Subject: RE: MAPP Transmission Customers, 11/01/00 14:58 Bruce, I'll try to answer your question and clarify our current policy. As you will recall, WAPA originally administered it's own tariff and transmission was purchased directly from WAPA for all of our constrained paths. There wasn't a separate Scheduling and Dispatch fee assessed for transmission purchased under the WAPA tariff, as this fee was built into the transmission rate. We posted ATC's for all of our constrained paths (Miles City, SPC, SWPA (now AECI)) and MAPP Schedule F was not offered for energy transfers into or out of the MAPP area. WAPA did not charge a Scheduling and Dispatch fee for transmission purchased under MAPP Schedule F, because it was not a common practice by any of the MAPP members to do so. A FERC ruling required MAPP to offer MAPP Schedule F to Members and non-members alike, and to eventually open up the use of MAPP F from border to border, without the requirement to purchase transmission from the border company. These were major changes, and they occurred in steps, with MAPP initially offering service schedule F to everyone, then offering Service Schedule F rates or the border company tariff across the constrained interfaces, and finally using service schedule F for all transmission into, out of, or through MAPP, if less than 2 years in duration. During the transition, WAPA was still responsible for posting the constrained interfaces, monitoring the flows and re-posting when required. We charged our Scheduling and Dispatch fee for all requests that used service Schedule F to transition across the constrained interfaces, and continue to do so today. Now the system has evolved where anyone can purchase MAPP schedule F and MAPP F can be utilized to transfer e! nergy into, across and out of the entire MAPP member system. WAPA no longer administers the constrained interfaces for short term transactions and MAPP as the transmission provider is responsible for approving all transmission requests (less then 2 years). When that change took place, MAPP was approached and asked to include the S/D fee as part of the MAPP Schedule F service Fee but MAPP was unwilling to take on this responsibility. WAPA management therefore made the decision to start separately charging a Scheduling and Dispatch fee for all service Schedule F utilizing our transmission. This was initially delayed, until we were able to develop the software necessary to implement a billing program automatically.. If the software and programming had been available earlier, WAPA would have assessed the fee earlier. Now the programming is in place and the decision was made to proceed. I hope this answers your question. Yes, we have always charged the S/D fee for MAPP Schedule F transactions across our constrained interfaces but have now expanded this fee to include all MAPP Schedule F OASIS requests into, out of , or through our system whether they cross a constrained interface or not. The fee is per OASIS request per day and the fee is assessed to the purchaser of the transmission. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to call or Email. Thank you Terry >>> "McIver, Bruce" 11/01/00 06:01AM >>> I thought we were already getting charged this. > ---------- > From: Terry Harmel[SMTP:harmel@WAPA.GOV] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:26 PM > To: rin@mapp.org > Cc: Jim Croston; Ron Klinefelter; Lloyd Linke; Darrick Moe; Steve > Sanders > Subject: MAPP Transmission Customers, > > MAPP Transmission Customers, > > Effective Wednesday, November 1, 2000 @ 00:00 CST. Western Area Power > Administration (Western), Upper Great Plains Region (UGPR) will begin > charging the current Western UGPR "Scheduling, System Control and Dispatch > Service" charge, as outlined in Western's Open Access Transmission Service > Tariff, for all schedules into, out of, and across the WAUE/WAUW control > areas utilizing MAPP Schedule F. > > If you have any questions about this change related to MAPP Schedule F, > please contact MAPP Transmission Operations (651-632-8508, or > transcoords@mapp.org). For other questions related to this billing by > Western, please contact Mr. Terry Harmel at 605-882-7541. > > Thankyou >