Message-ID: <29609046.1075857920453.JavaMail.evans@thyme> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-nyiso_tech_exchange@lists.thebiz.net To: market_relations@nyiso.com, nyiso_tech_exchange@global2000.net Subject: RE: $20,000 DAM adder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From: owner-nyiso_tech_exchange@lists.thebiz.net X-To: market_relations@nyiso.com, nyiso_tech_exchange@global2000.net X-cc: X-bcc: X-Folder: \Larry_Campbell_Jun2001\Notes Folders\Discussion threads X-Origin: Campbell-L X-FileName: lcampbel.nsf Brian_Grant@cargill.com writes to the NYISO_TECH_EXCHANGE Discussion List: I have not had any response to questions about whether Don is right about NYISO simply going back to the way things were, but making that assumption, I offer the following solution: In my mind the way the market should work is that there should be "bid guarantees" in real time. I do not agree with the fact that there are production cost guarantees and not sink price cost guarantees. If there were guarantees to all HAM bids, that would in turn lead to a more efficient northeastern marketplace. An example of an export: I bid in the DAM to export power from NYISO to PJM. I bid 50, DAM clears 40, so get accepted to export 100 mw's. Before the HAM commitments take place, prices in NYISO are 200 while prices in PJM are 20, so I decide it would be economical to leave the power in NYISO. I have the ability to change the HAM bid created from my accepted DAM bid, so I change the bid to 100...saying that if NYISO is willing to pay 100, then I am willing to cut my schedule to PJM...NYISO is forecasting 200, so they cut my schedule. One of two things happens now, if realtime clears above my 100 HAM bid, then I buy at 40(DAM) and sell at realtime...If realtime clears at under my 100 HAM bid, then NYISO needs to provide the difference between my HAM bid and the realtime px. The logic here is that in effect, I already owned power at 40(just like a 40 generator) and was willing to sell back my "generator" at 100, so if someone commits my generator at 100, then they should be responsible for compensating me. An example of an import: I bid into the DAM to import power to NYISO from PJM. I bid 50, DAM clears 60, so I get accepted to import 100 mw's. Before the HAM evaluation, prices in PJM are 200 while prices in NYISO are 30. So I go into my HAM bid and change the price from 50 to 150...HAM predicts 30, cuts my import...thereby I am selling the power at 60, and buying it back real time...once again two things can occur here...realtime clears under my 150 bid, so I sell 60(DAM) and buy realtime....or realtime clears at over my bid...in which case I sell 60(DAM) and buy back at my 150 HAM bid....the logic here is that my power at PJM(my generator) which had committed itself at 60 in the DAM, was willing to stay flowing to NYISO at up to 150(my HAM bid)...ie I am willing to take the financial risk between 60 and 150....NYISO did not commit me in HAM, so my financial risk should be capped at what I am willing to risk, not what NYISO says I should be willing to risk Brian Grant Cargill-Alliant LLC 952-984-3915 -----Original Message----- From: barkerde@nmenergy.com [mailto:barkerde@nmenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:02 AM To: nyiso_tech_exchange@global2000.net Subject: $20,000 DAM adder barkerde@nmenergy.com writes to the NYISO_TECH_EXCHANGE Discussion List: Some feed back so far...... There appears to be a problem brewing with the planned implementation of the May 29 adjustment that removes the $20K bias from the DAM external transactions.I am awaiting a call back on my concerns from the NYISO. By occasionally settling hourly prices through BME or occasionally settling after SCD sets RT prices, depending on the extistence or non existence of congestion, a problem that we thought we fixed many months ago will reappear with the removal of the $20K bias.Here is an example of my musings.... DAM bid gets accepted at $50 ( Import from PJM) ..... BME then runs (No constraints) evaluating the import HAM bids and other items that have BMEprovide a $40 price.... DAM gets cut , looks like a $10 profit ( providing your loss in PJM doesn't exceed $10) . Due to in hour operations the RT price clears at $60. You loooooooose!! Sound familiar? After getting beat up like this the MP's went through the committee structure and had the $20,000 adder used for DAM (except IS+) to protect against this. The clearing at BME for all external proxy busses removed the problem so the $20,000 adder was removed. Now the external interfaces only clear at BME if they are constrained. Are we taking a huge step back on purpose or was there a mistake in implementation?