Message-ID: <24184349.1075852266386.JavaMail.evans@thyme> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: dutch.quigley@enron.com To: jeff_smith@afcc.com, klyn@pdq.net, 'kiske@enron.com, chris.kiske@arbitron.com, ty.servello@oag.state.tx.us, michael.deluke@us.pwcglobal.com, mcurrie@tcta.org, jerry.spottswood@compaq.com, jeffu192@cs.com, johnsogc@bp.com, dg_ski@email.msn.com, ckiske@austin.rr.com, b_sting91@excite.com, andy_reynolds@panda-law.com Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-From: Quigley, Dutch X-To: '"Smith, Jeff" @ENRON' , 'Kevin' , 'Kiske, Chris' , Ty Servello , Mike Deluke , Michael Currie , Jody Spottswood , Jeff Ullrich , Grant Johnson , Dan Wienserski , Chris Kiske (Home) , BJ Naman , Andy Reynolds X-cc: X-bcc: X-Folder: \DQUIGLE (Non-Privileged)\Quigley, Dutch\Sent Items X-Origin: QUIGLEY-D X-FileName: DQUIGLE (Non-Privileged).pst now that i have Jeff on board lets here from the rest of you -----Original Message----- From: "Smith, Jeff" @ENRON [mailto:IMCEANOTES-+22Smith+2C+20Jeff+22+20+3CJeff+5FSmith+40AFCC+2Ecom+3E+40ENRON@ENRON.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:00 PM To: 'Kevin'; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Quigley, Dutch; Dan Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft Dutch's suggestion would alleviate all of Kevin's points below. Whether we snake after that is another issue - the top three rounds are more important than the back to back pick issue. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin [SMTP:klyn@pdq.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:09 AM > To: Smith, Jeff; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael > Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds > Subject: Re: Franchise Players and the Draft > > Actually the draft order was determined by a vote and is not subject to > change...this year anyway. The idea behind it was to not let someone keep > a > franchise player (generally one of the top 5 players overall) and then > receive possibly the fifteenth pick overall in the draft...thus getting a > top 5 player and the number one pick in the next round, while someone that > does not keep a franchise player in theory could get the last pick of the > supplemental round and the last pick of the first round (number 14 player > and the 28th player)...too much of a penalty to one team. Of course this > is > all subject to vote and can be changed for next year. > > Kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Smith, Jeff" > To: "'Kiske, Chris'" ; "'Kevin'" ; > "Ty Servello" ; "Mike Deluke" > ; "Michael Currie" ; > "Jody Spottswood" ; "Jeff Ullrich" > ; "Grant Johnson" ; "Dutch Quigley" > ; "Dan Wienserski" ; "Chris > Kiske (Home)" ; "BJ Naman" ; > "Andy Reynolds" > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:43 AM > Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft > > > > The snake thing is good and bad. But I think the first round should be > > randomly selected for ALL teams because the current way gives those not > > keeping a franchise player a double benefit by picking in the > supplemental > > and then also at the top of the first round. Theoretically the non > keeper > > teams are getting the 8-14 best players who are arguably also franchise > > players. In effect by not keeping a player you are randomly selecting a > > lower level franchise player. So they shouldn't get the an automatic > shot > > at 15-22 or whatever it might be as well. So snake or no snake all of > round > > one should be random order. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kiske, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:59 PM > > > To: 'Kevin'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody > Spottswood; > > > Jeff Ullrich; Smith, Jeff; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan > Wienserski; > > > Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Kiske, Chris > > > Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft > > > > > > As the creator of the algebraic mean sequenced draft order that was > built > > > to eliminate the inherent advantage that the #1 & #14 teams had by > getting > > > back to back picks every other round, I think the time for > mathematical > > > preciseness has passed. I'm all for going to a simplified traditional > > > snake system. Frankly, at this point I think there are as many > > > disadvantages to being 1 or 14 (or 2 - 13) as advantages that it all > works > > > itself out. Hell, if it makes preparing for the draft any easier (or > > > administering the league), I'm for it! > > > > > > PS - I'm for keeping TE's too! > > > > > > (Somewhere, Rick is rolling over in his grave) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin [mailto:klyn@pdq.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:53 PM > > > To: Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff > > > Ullrich; Jeff Smith (E-mail); Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan > > > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Chris Kiske > > > (Work) > > > Subject: Franchise Players and the Draft > > > > > > > > > The following is the list of franchise players that have been kept: > > > > > > Grant Johnson - Eddie George > > > Jeff Smith - Peyton Manning > > > Michael Deluke - Marshall Faulk > > > Michael Currie - Edgerrian James > > > Jeff Ullrich - Kurt Warner > > > > > > I know this was brought up last year and we kind of decided much of > > > nothing...but does anyone object to going to a snake system for the > draft. > > > 1-14, 14-1 for the whole draft? We will still have a supplemental > round > > > for those that do not keep franchise players. Then the non-franchise > > > teams will pick in opposite order of the supplemental round for round > > > one...thus if you pick first in the supplemental round, you will pick > last > > > (for those that did not keep franchise players) in the first round. > Then, > > > the teams that kept franchise players will be randomly selected to > pick > at > > > the end of the first round. After the first round, the draft will > snake > > > back the other way with the last pick in the first round getting the > first > > > pick in the second round and the draft will continue in this snake > order > > > until the end of the draft. Let me know what you think or if you are > > > confused. > > > > > > See everyone at the draft!!! > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > >